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sisyphusshruggedNote the extraordinarily low threshhold for being "disenfranchised" in Michigan (def: you can still vote, but there's no spoiler on the ballot)
Maybe the MI GOP and the FL GOP need to talk.
Maybe the MI GOP and the FL GOP need to talk.
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Date: 2004-07-09 06:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-09 06:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-11 07:03 pm (UTC)micah holmquist (http://mth.blogspot.com)
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Date: 2004-07-11 07:36 pm (UTC)look at Kerry's stances
Date: 2004-07-12 08:15 am (UTC)micah holmquist (http://mth.blogspot.com)
Re: look at Kerry's stances
Date: 2004-07-12 09:06 am (UTC)This sort of material is a waste of both our time.
Re: look at Kerry's stances
Date: 2004-07-12 11:19 am (UTC)micah holmquist (http://mth.blogspot.com)
Re: look at Kerry's stances
Date: 2004-07-12 11:21 am (UTC)Re: look at Kerry's stances
Date: 2004-07-12 12:51 pm (UTC)micah holmquist (http://mth.blogspot.com)
Re: look at Kerry's stances
Date: 2004-07-12 12:54 pm (UTC)Re: look at Kerry's stances
Date: 2004-07-12 08:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-10 10:38 am (UTC)MKK
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Date: 2004-07-10 10:43 am (UTC)So, now they are.
I can't imagine why he's whining.
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Date: 2004-07-11 04:13 am (UTC)Totally ignoring the bottom line on votes in Florida (after all was said and done, the votes Nader hijacked from Gore would have more then put the Democrats over the top).
"hijacked"?
Date: 2004-07-11 07:21 pm (UTC)micah holmquist (mth.blogspot.com)
Re: "hijacked"?
Date: 2004-07-11 07:42 pm (UTC)I certainly think anyone who thinks we should have Bush in the White House for four more years has a moral obligation to work with the Republican party to see that we get Bush in the White House for four more years. I happen to disagree with Mr. Nader that four more years of Bush is a desirable outcome.
Re: "hijacked"?
Date: 2004-07-12 08:21 am (UTC)Do you ever think of stepping outside of the binary mindset RE politics?
micah holmquist (http://mth.blogspot.com)
Re: "hijacked"?
Date: 2004-07-12 09:08 am (UTC)Did you ever think about not having a monopolar view of politics? They don't really exist in the real world, you know.
Re: "hijacked"?
Date: 2004-07-12 10:21 am (UTC)I assume you're not going to do the research, so I did. (http://www.smmirror.com/volume2/issue15/commentary.html) It took me five minutes.
I respect your stands on other issues. I think you're wrong about this one.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree, because I'm certainly not going to change my mind.
Re: "hijacked"?
Date: 2004-07-12 11:24 am (UTC)micah holmquist (http://mth.blogspot.com)
Re: "hijacked"?
Date: 2004-07-12 11:31 am (UTC)Ralph never said that? Ralph did say that, but he really didn't mean it. There's no reason that Kerry is better? There is a good solid reason but you don't care about it.
I'm not terribly fond of jumping through hoops for people who don't do their homework, and you're either being very lazy here or you don't have anything solid to support your position.
As I said above, I think it would be best for you to carry on this fight in forums where you're less likely to be challenged to back yourself up.
Re: "hijacked"?
Date: 2004-07-12 12:54 pm (UTC)What are the significant differences on the "war on terror" or the "war on drugs"? Please tell me, I'd love to know.
I didn't challenge Nader had voiced the ideas in the article you quoted. What I did challenge is that this amounted to supporting Bush.
micah holmquist (http://mth.blogspot.com)
Re: "hijacked"?
Date: 2004-07-12 12:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-11 07:46 pm (UTC)Subject: "hijacked"?
Oh I forgot, only the Democrats and the Republicans are allowed to run
for office. That way there isn't much of a choice and it doesn't really
matter who you vote for.
From micah holmquist
The central issue here is the insistence beyond logic that the Nader votes had NOTHING to do with Gore losing.
Anyone can vote for whoewver they want to, I just think it is likely that the Nader votes would have put Gore over the top.
Well, at least Jar-Jar Nader (the asshat who surrendered the republic to the Sith lord) has taught us that, there REALLY is a difference between the Democratic and Republican parties.
Perhaps "hijacked" was a poor choice of words.
Would you prefer "siphoned off"?
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Date: 2004-07-12 08:26 am (UTC)micah holmquist (http://mth.blogspot.com)
Democrats help Bush
Date: 2004-07-12 08:29 am (UTC)micah holmquist (http://mth.blogspot.com)
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=5624140 (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=5624140)
Illinois Fixes Glitch to Keep Bush's Spot on Ballot
Thu Jul 8, 2004 05:20 PM ET
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois fixed a glitch in its election law on Thursday to ensure President Bush appears on the state's Nov. 2 ballots.
The relatively late dates of this year's Republican Party convention, running Aug. 30 to Sept. 2, meant that Bush would not be the official nominee until after an Aug. 30 deadline set in state law.
The ballot qualification issue arose in nine states, with Illinois the last to take care of it. The amendment allows candidates onto the ballot who are nominated after the deadline.
"Illinois citizens should be able to vote for the sitting president if they choose, and this technical change will make sure that they have that option in November," said Gov. Rod Blagojevich, a Democrat.
Re: Democrats help Bush
Date: 2004-07-12 10:39 am (UTC)That is what Nader asked us to do last time, right? Stop dirty tricks at the ballot box?
Said it's why we lost. Told us to do it next time.
Again, I can't imagine why he's complaining when we took his august advice.
Re: Democrats help Bush
Date: 2004-07-12 11:29 am (UTC)Did you even read the Reuters article? Apparently the great party of "opposition" isn't anywhere near as interested in making Bush follow the rules as it is in keeping Nader off the ballot. Yet we have to defeat Bush otherwise it will be the END. Sometimes the Nobody But Kerry crowd remind me of those who say we are on the verge of The Last Days.
And along with the act fighting "fair," supporters of Kerry might want to engage Nader and his supporters on debates involving issues. I mean if you are so certain that Kerry is the better candidate, this would seem like an easy call.
micah holmquist (http://mth.blogspot.com)
Re: Democrats help Bush
Date: 2004-07-12 11:33 am (UTC)Re: Democrats help Bush
Date: 2004-07-12 01:00 pm (UTC)Instead of throwing out baseless accusations that I need to do more research, here's three tips if you want to "fight tough, fight fair"
-actually talk about issues that aren't electoral
-explain how you can justify supporting a candidate who does not challenge any of the fundamental principles of Bush's "war on terror" but instead argues that he can do a better job of running it
-say whether or not you think Democrats should change the rules so that Bush can be on the ballot if they are going to work to prevent Nader from getting on the ballot
micah holmquist (http://mth.blogspot.com)
Re: Democrats help Bush
Date: 2004-07-12 01:04 pm (UTC)